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Dredging: Who Should Pay $2.4 Million for Cedar Creek, Lake Sperry?

Sand buildup in Cedar Creek and Lake Sperry may become a big stormwater drainage issue if it is not dealt with, says an engineer hired by the city.

 

A sand buildup is scientifically proven to be an increasing problem for some Dunedin residents.

And it may be the source of a political back-and-forth over whether taxpayers should foot an estimated $2.4 million dredging bill to get rid of it.

More than 15 years worth of sand and silt is filling Lake Sperry, a private neighborhood pond, and Cedar Creek, which abuts several residential yards, preventing the flow of runoff into St. Joseph Sound.

"There are going to be impacts to the system eventually if no maintenance is done out there," Joe Wagner, P.E., of Taylor Engineering, Inc., told Dunedin commissioners during a March 12 public workshop. 

"It's going to a condition that's going to, at some point, cause stormwater and drainage problems," he said. 

Some argue that the lengthy, intrusive, expensive project benefits just the 24 or so residents who adjoin 4.5-acre Lake Sperry and a select number of residents with private docks living along the Cedar Creek waterway.

But a large amount of the storm water running through the system is being carried in from upstream, results from Taylor Engineering's scientific analysis say.

With the outside consultant predicting potential stormwater drainage problems if Sperry Lake and Cedar Creek are left alone, city officials are left to decide how it's going to be paid for when the final report is unveiled, likely at a May 2 commission meeting.

Taylor Engineering told city officials that years of buildup is causing Lake Sperry to swell over its sea walls, causing sediment to wash up over the wall and into the space behind it, in turn, pushing the wall into the lake. Part of the problem is that the sea wall was not constructed properly to begin with, Wagner suggested.

Its instability creates a problem for crews that would be dredging at the lake, he explained. Raising the walls would stabilize the condition and reduce the need for longterm maintenance.

Commissioner Julie Scales suggested that another entity should be responsible for sea wall repairs. 

"The sea walls are not a city-created problem," she said.

"I would not go forward with this project without dealing with those sea walls," Wagner said. "You are not going to do the ultimate benefit that needs to happen here. ... This is my personal (opinion) as an engineer wanting the system to work."

Officials asked how much it would cost to fix the sea wall at Sperry Lake, but he did not have a preliminary estimate.

"If you're saying you wouldn't do one without the other, then we need to know what the other is, too," Julie Ward Bujalski, vice mayor, said, regardless of who ends up paying for it.


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Then there's the problem of Cedar Creek.

Residents whose homes abut the creek have complained for years about the smell of feces, trash and debris accumulating in the increasingly shallow waters. Many of the residents have private docks jutting into the creek, but their water crafts can no longer navigate through it, especially during low tide. 

The drying creek is allowing conditions for mangrove encroachment. If mangroves get into the area, it would choke it off and become a big stormwater issue, Wagner explained.

The engineer said state and federal agencies are strict about granting dredging permits for environmental purposes.

Half the creek, the western part which abuts numerous homeowners, would be eligible for a "navigation" permit; the other half, east of Bayshore Boulevard, would be eligible for an "stormwater drainage" permit.

Scales protested.

"The only navigation that's occurring on the western side is those homes on the western side of Cedar Creek," she said, implying the project would only benefit those who have a private dock.

Bujalski pointed out that the city has docks, too, and that children use them in programs at Hammock Park.

The engineer said the reason for doing a project may be different than the cause for the permit.

In this case, if dredging maintenance occurs and Cedar Creek's condition improves, the water quality also improves and it flushes better. 

If no maintenance is done, "then it becomes a very expensive problem," Wagner said.

"It's better to do maintenance at a certain point than to do reconstruction," he said. 

Related Topics: City of Dunedin, Dredging, Dunedin Commission, Lake Sperry, Local Environment, cedar creek, city commissioners, dunedin, and dunedin news

Tom G

7:20 am on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Find a way to clean out Cedar Creek for sure. And maybe someone can fix the drainage at the back of Weaver park somehow too. During summer the water sits there and smells cause the drainage ways are plugged up.

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Annie

9:56 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

AC. The old adage "if you ignore it, it will go away" applies in spades here. The longer these 2 bodies of water are ignored, the worse it will become and they will indeed "go away". Then what? This situation needs to be taken care of and responsibility for it accepted by the City. Lake Sperry and Cedar Creek DO NOT benefit just a few lakefront and creek front homeowners. They benefit more than 50% of the people who live in the City of Dunedin, which drains into these areas. It's time the City "mans up" , takes ownership of the problem, and gets this situation rectified. It's only going to get worse.

Donna Morris

12:54 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

until recently, I lived on Sperry Lake for over 5 yrs. It is owned by the homeowners, but the city has been using it for stormdrainage for over 40 yrs w/o installing silt catchers and the lake has almost completely filled in now. The homeowners have not benefited from the city's use of their lake and it should definitely fall to the city to fix this problem. we have also experienced several fish kills caused by roadwork, and the city accepted no responsibility in cleaning this stinky mess up, it fell to the residents to do it.

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Marilyn

12:50 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

To Clarify..there are 28 houses around Lake Sperry. There are approx. 900 City of Dunedin lots and bordering streets that add their drainage to the stormwater system that flow on thru Lake Sperry and then on thru Cedar Creek to St. Joseph's sound.
During a heavy rain event, not a hurricane, water overflows into the lots surrounding Lake Sperry. We have 4-5 feet of depth left out of a 16 ft. depth over the last 30 years. This is City of Dunedin silt and stormwater. The 28 homeowners should not have to foot the bill to repair this problem alone. Until recently, I felt we were making progress with City staff & commissioners. It now looks like The Arts takes prescedence over flooded homes & streets!!!!

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Marilyn

12:59 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

The Cedar Creek/Lake Sperry Dredging Project is not just for navigation. It will complete the upstream portion of the project started a few years ago down stream to allow for all stormwater to flow freely from the south , north to St. Joseph Sound,
Thus, mitigating flooding througout the City.

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Deborah Magee

12:06 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Dredging of Lake Sperry and Cedar Creek is the final step of an engineered channelization directing flow from 12,000 acres toward Cedar Creek. Completing this step and continued maintenance of the channels is of utmost importance. Left unmaintained Cedar Creek clean up will become more costly and problematic if a major stormwater event occurs. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a rocket accountant to figure out it will cost less money to allow flow under a bridge than to have to replace the same bridge because you didnt perform proper maintenance.

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Rick Pearson

4:21 pm on Tuesday, April 2, 2013

Living across the street from Cedar Creek, this would be great to get this dredge, but what about Curlew Creek, there are more people and business that are affect by Curlew Creek than Cedar Creek

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Shari Pentecost

10:42 am on Monday, April 8, 2013

Tropical Storm Debra caused major flooding in the Baywood Shores Subdivision, located just before the Curlew / Alt 19 Intersection. It was very much related to the sand buildup of the two canals that encircle the subdivision.

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