I guess the fluoridationists have more money to give to political campaigns than those opposed to fluoridation.

Mayor Eggers,
I am sorry to see that you changed your mind on the fluoride issue. I will continue to use my fluoride free toothpaste and a water softener to solve the problem for me on an individual basis. I will not even bother to get into it on this forum as people have made their minds up one way or the other. Anyone can google it and research as many people have. The only thing that bothers me is that some people just take the government as the ultimate resource and the final decision on what is good for you and what isn’t. As we all know the government as has not always had our best interests in mind. I am just sad to see you cave in to political pressure.

Only 5% of the world uses fluoridation because many large studies show fluoridation is totally ineffective in improving tooth decay and is dangerous to health (See fluoridealert.org). The World Health Organization studied 16 countries and showed fluoride is of no value for teeth. Europe has rejected it and is 98% fluoride free. India, Japan, China and most countries now reject it. Interestingly, despite the fact that the vast majority of western Europe does not fluoridate its water, Europe’s tooth decay rates are as low – if not lower – than the tooth decay rates in the heavily fluoridated United States or New Zealand.

Most of the US (67%) has been fluoridated for fifty years or more. If fluoridation actually worked as advertised, the dental profession should be on the verge of extinction except for itinerant practitioners. By now. tooth decay should be virtually eradicated like small pox or polio. How do you explain that dentistry is a growing profession with new schools planed?

Kudos to the Mayor for becoming familiar with the research findings. Fluoridation truly is a great cost-effective public health measure.

Floridation of water is not healthy. There is MUCH evidence to back this up. I personally wouldn't want it in my water to supposedly save my teeth when in fact it creates more overall harm to bodies&minds. We become dumbed down over a period of usage/slow BUT sure..I have followed this issue for Many years and since our business/mission since 1989 has been/is to educate the public about Preventive/Natural it is imperative for me to share this information. Mayor Eggers you would have been better staying with your original outlook on Fluoride..the wiser one indeed. What good is taking care of the teeth (which there really is NO definite proof that Fluoride prevents cavities in fact the opposite) when Fluoride is highly toxic in sooo many ways. Not sure why you changed your mind but I certainly hope it isn't that you just gave in to powers to be. We know how deep this issue can go and how "The People" are allowing themselves to be poisoned is beyond me.If it is education that is needed there certainly is alot of Very concrete research for our children's sake (there children's) and our's..I would hope you will think twice...When looking at research Mayor Eggers... look at research NOT tied to the Dental Association for it is biased ..links are http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/fluoridation.htm
http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/health
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/fluoride-and-your-thyroid/# May God help us & may TRUTH prevail. Who can our children depend on if not us?

Obviously either money has changed hands or too much fluoride is in your water?

I will put a challenge to you: provide the statistics that prove beyond doubt that silicofluorides in your drinking water has improved dental health. For every piece of evidence that you put up, I will provide two that state conclusively that any improvement was probably because of topically applied fluoride and one of these statements will come from your own ADA and CDC and your own American and Canadian experts.

Bring them on!

An Inconvenient Tooth is a new documentary film about fluoride. It was recently released at the city hall in Portland, Oregon. It was filmed by a young man in his early 20s. Pop some popcorn, get a notepad, and sit back and learn from these experts. It may just well be the best thing you ever do for your health and that of your family to learn these facts and to be able to stand up to those "so called experts" who have told us differently for the past 60 plus years.
http://AnInconvenientTooth.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-oeu2L8yM

The bulk of the social science literature on fluoridation has assumed, implicitly or explicitly, that fluoridation is scientifically proven and indeed scientifically unquestionable. The many studies that fall into this category make no examination of the scientific evidence, but rely entirely on the endorsements of dental and medical authorities. With a positivist view of knowledge, the result is a virtually exclusive focus on opposition to fluoridation: it is the existence and persistence of this opposition which has to be explained.3

http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/88sss.pdf

For those of you who are opposed to the fluoridation of the public drinking water I encourage you to go to my educational website www.dentalconfessions.com and read the Fluoride Fraud section as well as the Ethics section. What you will learn is that all those American Dental Association (ADA) and United States Public Health Service (USPHS) "classical studies" that were originally used to document their decision to promote drinking water fluoridation were all just scripted and sculptured non-scientific "studies" that could be considered to be intentionally fraudulent. You will also learn that dentist's really are not "fluoride experts" and are actually the least educated and that any dentist who supports water fluoridation is in violation of ADA Ethics as well as individual State Dental Boards Laws. If you are associated with the ADA or the USPHS or if you are a dentist supporting drinking water fluoridation then you are the duped or the dupee and I would ask that you get your head out of wherever it is you got it stuck and honor your professional ethics and get accurately educated.

FLUORIDE FREE WATER

Silicofluoride chemicals are added to public water supplies in only a few countries in the World. No toxicological testing has ever been undertaken on the silicofluoride chemicals added to drinking water. This website was set up to help educate the public on the human health and environmental impacts of silicofluoride and fluoride based compounds in water so that the public as consumers may be better informed of the risks.

SILICOFLUORIDES ARE HARMFUL TOXINS
Myron J. Coplan

Although silicofluorides (SiFs), principally fluosilicic acid (FSA), have never been tested for health safety as water fluoridating agents, they are used to fluoridate 91% of the municipal water intended for human consumption in the United States. Evidence published in peer-reviewed journals indicates that chronic ingestion of SiF-treated water is a cause of elevated blood lead in children. This evidence has been known by the EPA, CDC, and NIEHS since 1999, but they have disputed it with theoretical arguments and poor statistics.

Moreover elevated blood lead has been unequivocally proven to damage tooth enamel integrity and increase susceptibility to caries. Dental fluorosis, considered “only cosmetic” by fluoridation proponents, has also been found to be more severe where silicon accompanies fluoride in naturally fluoridated areas. Elevated blood lead also impacts adults and particularly Black males, who are known to be more susceptible to hypertension and kidney problems from elevated blood lead.

http://ffwireland.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/biochemical-effects-of-silicofluorides.html

Easy solution, don't vote for Eggers if you believe that foolidation is a foolish waste of money -- your money!

This is just ONE example of your FDA, a government that so many of you think of as the ulimate source of information and has your best interests at heart. http://www.naturalnews.com/002157_the_FDA_Vioxx.html

It is time that we DO NOT ELECT officials that selfishly "sell-out" on what is right and healthy for us all. If a person that stood up to do the right thing has now given in for selfish reasons like...re-election.... well... you now see how they just become another drone and robot. It is time we stand up for the good of mankind & our children ... if not YOU.. then WHO? go to http://www.ELBFreedomFoundation.com non-profit.. at least they are standing up for our children.

Thank you Mayor Eggers for sticking with real science and evolving to your new position. The truth will always set you free!

Fluoride, is what Nazi used to control Jewish people in 1930's and 40's. Fluoride in water explains why Americans have be come so stupid. Generations of fluoride intake. SILICOFLUORIDES,,,,, study this chemical....

Mrs Rush, your "facts" couldn't be farther from the truth. Thank Mayor for coming around to the truth! It's never to late to stand up to lies!

Tas = Tasmania Australia and they have been foolidated for nearly 60 years. The government's own statistics show that they have the worst teeth in Australia.

Australia also has huge queues for public health dental treatment despite massive foolidation - even the drugs that are made from fluoride are known to cause tooth decay.

DANGERS OF FLUORIDE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS

Fluoride is derived from fluorine, an element with unique properties that are ideal for synthesizing drugs. Fluorine is the most electronegative element and can substitute for hydrogen in medicinal compounds, making the compound stronger and more stable, acidic and lipophilic. These qualities increase the bioavailability of the drug and its ability to attach to binding sites on cellular receptors and enzymes. Fluorine-containing drugs are used to treat dental disease, neuropsychiatric disorders, cancer, infections and heart disease.

I'm sorry Mayor Eggers has changed his mind. Re-election was probably a sure thing before.

Anti you believe what Government feeds you. I will believe chemistry and science as well as history.

Ms. Rush, I don't think certain people know how to "study"

Not picking on anyone. Just saying education of self.

The precautionary principle or precautionary approach states if an action or policy has a suspected risk of causing harm to the public or to the environment, in the absence of scientific consensus that the action or policy is harmful, the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking the action.

This principle allows policy makers to make discretionary decisions in situations where there is the possibility of harm from taking a particular course or making a certain decision when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking. The principle implies that there is a social responsibility to protect the public from exposure to harm, when scientific investigation has found a plausible risk. These protections can be relaxed only if further scientific findings emerge that provide sound evidence that no harm will result.

In some legal systems, as in the law of the European Union, the application of the precautionary principle has been made a statutory requirement.[1]

The facts are simple. Fluoride is safe. Fluoride is cheap costing each resident only 1-2 cents per month. It's in our water and soon will be back in all Pinellas drinking water. Every major drinking water utility in our nation has Fluoride in it and it is working. Fluoride is not the magic answer for perfect teeth but is one of the helpful components. If you do not want Fluoride in your water I suggest you purchase a filter to remove it or move to an area that does not add it to the water. Fluoride is placed very carefully in our water along with many other chemicals that are far more toxic that clean our water. Those chemicals too, when also taken out of context of their prescribed current use could pose a danger. But they don't! Why? Because they are administered properly to our water for it's benefit. The tests have been done over and over and it is safe. Fluoride continues to be one of the most successful health programs this country has ever undertaken benefiting so many for so little. But hey! What do I know, I'm just a plumber!

Well I stick to science and chemistry. I use filters in my water.

I agree Stacy Rush! I stick with Science and Chemistry Too. Luckily here in America we have the Science to handle fluoride in our water! Other countries don't or are not willing to invest in the right tools. If you can't do it right then don't do it! We can, we are and I am so glad of that!

There are quite a few chemists and who oppose fluoridation. One spoke at the meetings prior to initiating the addition of the fluoride compound to Dunedin's water supply. He was ignored. My neighbor was also a chemist who opposed fluoridation. You need to hand the microphone to EVERYONE. Not just the salesmen.

In 1957 the Committee to Protect Our Children’s Teeth suddenly emerged to tout fluoridation with several celebrity figures on its roster, including Dr. Benjamin Spock, Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Robinson, and A. Phillip Randolph. Funded by grants from the W. K. Kellogg Foundation ($23,350) and the Rockefeller Foundation ($2,500), the Committee’s makeup also included major figures from atomic weapons research and manufacturing concerns.

A sleek booklet, Our Children’s Teeth, was ostensibly produced by the Committee and circulated throughout the US. Yet it was first utilized by attorneys defending the Reynolds Aluminum Company in federal appeals court in Oregon against charges for fluoride injury brought by a farming family. The court was reminded by Reynolds’ lawyers how Our Children’s Teeth was packed with testimonies of “one medical and scientific expert after another, all to the effect that fluorides in low concentration (such as are present around aluminum and other industrial plants) present no harm to man.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/poison-is-treatment-the-campaign-to-fluoridate-america

"NZ has been fluoridated for 40 years now - about the time projected for developing first signs of skeletal fluorosis at the level of exposure in fluoridated communities (about 3 mg/day)" points out Mr Atkin, adding "while water fluoridation was introduced in the belief it would reduce tooth decay, we now know fluoride only works by applying it to the surface, such as with fluoride toothpaste. The latest large scale study in Australia (in 2004) showed no lasting benefit from fluoridation. Conversely, the health risks, come from swallowing it."

In 2006 the US National Research Council published its comprehensive report, identifying significant health risks from fluoride, especially to certain population groups. Risks began at the level of exposure in fluoridated communities.

"Class action lawsuits are currently being prepared in the USA and Australia, based on current scientific knowledge of fluoridation's harmful effects on health" advises Mr Atkin. "Meanwhile, like the band playing on the Titanic as it sank, the Ministry of Health keeps pushing its fluoridation agenda in the false belief it saves half a filling per person. Even if the Ministry were right, what would you choose - a filling, or years of suffering from arthritis?" he asks.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/fluoridation-contributes-2-billion-annual-health-cost/5/22208

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/thyroid_history.html
http://www.progesterone.com/fluoride_toxicity.html F toxicity.
http://www.curetoothdecay.com/Dentistry/Fluoride.htm Cure tooth decay.
“The chemicals - fluorosilicic acid, sodium silicofluoride, and sodium fluoride - used to fluoridate drinking water are industrial waste products from the phosphate fertilizer industry.”
http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/ Toxic Chemicals In Your Water – article describes all the negative effects of F.
http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/nobenefit.html F does not prevent tooth decay.
http://www.fluorideresearch.org/
http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/symptoms.html Huge list of F poisoning symptoms with References.
http://www.sonic.net/kryptox/medicine/frac/hip.htm A Brief Account of the Fluoridation And Hip Fracture Problem by John R. Lee, M.D.
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303222823 FLUORIDE, THE SILENT KILLER by: Yiamouyiannis, John, Ph.D.
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm Dr. Mark Sircus
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2005/05/17/fluoride_to_make_prisoners_stupid_docile.htm F used to make prisoners stupid and docile – easier to control.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/harmful_products/news.php?q=1248199278 "Sodium Fluoride is a synthetic waste product of the nuclear, aluminum, and phosphate fertilizer industries."

http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-pollution.htm Fluoride Deception – overview of Book.
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p80.htm Karl Loren on John D. Rockefeller's Bastard Child -- Allopathic Medicine.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/256742-dangers-of-fluoride-prescription-drugs/ Dangers of F drugs.
http://www.whale.to/b/null.html Fluoride: The Deadly Legacy
by Gary Null, Ph.D. This is a book.

http://www.whale.to/b/fluoride2.html
http://www.whale.to/d/fluoride.html
http://www.coconutresearchcenter.com/hwnl_2-4.htm By Lita Lee, Ph.D.
“Fluoride pollution began in the 1850’s at the beginning of the industrial revolution and was a key chemical in atomic bomb production in the 1940’s. Millions of tons of fluoride (uranium hexafluoride) were used to manufacture bomb-grade uranium and plutonium for nuclear weapons during and after World War II. At the height of World War II, a severe fluoride pollution incident occurred in Gloucester and Salem counties downwind of the DuPont chemical factory in Deepwater, New Jersey, which was secretly producing millions of pounds of fluoride for the Manhattan Project. This area was noted for their high quality produce and the produce was fried. Farm workers who ate it vomited all night and the next day. Animals—horses, cows, chickens, etc.—became crippled and couldn’t walk. The New Jersey farmers sued DuPont and the Manhattan Project. The lawsuits were ultimately stymied by the government’s refusal to reveal how much fluoride DuPont had vented into the atmosphere during World War II on the grounds that “disclosure would be injurious to the military security of the United States.” The farmers received token financial settlements, in some cases amounting to little more than $200.”
THIS is the government you want to trust? REALLY???

http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/13/over-43000-portland-citens-stop-rat-poison-fluoride-drinking-water/

Over 43,000 Portland Citizens Seek to Stop Rat Poison Fluoride in Drinking Water
PORTLAND — Of the 19,858 signatures required, Clean Water Portland leader Kim Kaminski collected more than 43,000 in an attempt at stopping the city from adding fluoride to the water supply by putting the question to the voters.
“Our goal was 30,000 and the signatures just kept coming in,” Kaminski said. “In the last few days it was like an avalanche.”

That’s right, citizens in Portland, by the tens of thousands, have stood up and demanded that fluoride NOT be added to the water supply.

If adding fluoride to the water does go to a public vote, opponents of the plan will be able to spread major awareness of the dangers of fluoride and the reasons to vote no on adding any amount of toxic fluoride to any water supply.

My addition that went to the Queensland Premier:

The awakening of the people!

We are awake to you Mr Newman and your henchmen – you are protecting fluoride as if your life depended on it yet you disband and downsize groups and organisations that are very likely to be supporting “life” when disasters strike. I'm dammed if I can understand it!

“According to the CDC, 41 percent of American teenagers have dental fluorosis, a clear sign of overexposure to fluoride.”

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/11/dr-bill-osmunson-on-fluoride.aspx?e_cid=20111011_DNL_art_1 “China, in contrast, does NOT allow water fluoridation because it's too toxic and causes damage, according to their studies. Instead, the waste product from their phosphate fertilizer industry is shipped to the United States, where we add it to our water supply!”

Your tax dollars at work…

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/09/fluoride-and-pineal-gland.aspx?e_cid=20110809_DNL_art_1 “The pineal gland is a small endocrine gland located between the two hemispheres of your brain. One main role of your pineal gland is to produce melatonin, the natural sleep hormone that plays a vital role in your normal sleep function. Melatonin is not only necessary for proper sleep however, it also regulates the onset of puberty and fights against harmful free radicals. When your pineal gland function is suppressed, melatonin production suffers and you are putting yourself at risk for a number of startling conditions including: Alzheimer's disease, Circadian dysregulation, Insomnia, Bipolar disease, Hormone imbalances, low melatonin, Low back pain. One form of pineal gland stress is known as pineal gland calcification -- the cause of which may be shocking to you. Sodium fluoride, present in your drinking water and certain store-bought products, and other sources such as Prozac (fluoxetine), fluoroquinolone antibiotics and non-stick cookware could all be contributing to the alarming increase in pineal gland calcification.”
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/01/22/does-fluoride-really-fight-cavities.aspx The Toxin So Dangerous - Even CDC Now Warns Against Consumption by Infants
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/24/study-links-fluoride-to-preterm-birth-and-anemia-in-pregnancy.aspx F & Pregnancy

Now that I have your attention, I actually have living proof that is sufficient for anyone who is willing to set aside their beliefs for just a moment and consider that maybe, just maybe it really is all a big dangerous hoax. You see, we are really dealing with beliefs, rather than proof. A person can believe anything they want, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, but that does not and never will lead them to find the truth. Beliefs must be suspended and the brain must be allowed to work clearly, without being hampered by misplaced beliefs. I refer, of course, to the misplaced belief that our government has our best interest at heart; that it would never harm the people it is supposed to protect just for the self-centered interests of itself - meaning those in power. Add in the belief that the info from the ADA and the AMA is true and accurate, and there's the problem. Perfectly intelligent people will believe lies because they choose to. Choose Better.
My living proof? My only daughter...

One of the biggest problems with adding fluoride to "everyones" water supply is that people DO NOT get to decide whether they ingest the fluoride It is decided for them that they must have it. Furthermore, even it if were effective in preventig tooth decay, it would be so much more logical to put it ON our teeth rather than putting it IN our bodies. I find it hard to believe that drinking fluoride has any beneficial purpose for even one organ in my body.

Perhaps we will not have to worry?

http://www.echonetdaily.net.au/?iid=69333#folio=5

Is this seriously even still debated? Time for the mayor and his draconian thinking to go the way of his dinosaur ancestors.

Class action lawsuits will be heard beginning in Jan 2013 in Canada. You will be held accountable!!

Fluoride is safe, and yes we have it in Dunedin. And yes, we will have it through out the County in just a few short months. I trust our water dept and know most of them down there. They say its safe and they are trained to administer it. Yes there have been 60 years of study on the topic. When applied correctly, which it is in America, it has documented benefits that cannot be matched otherwise. Your right I'm not a Chemist, I don't have to be. I just have to make sure there is a really really good Chemist working at our water dept. You know what? There is!
But hey! What do I know, I'm just a plumber!

There are some that will never be convinced no matter how much scientific evidence is produced - Ed, ask your mate to produce one piece of paper that confirms that "someone" (anyone) is actually testing silicofluorides for safety when it is ingested. We have been asking for nearly 20 years - your own government (CDC?) departments have told us that there is no one testing this crap! Ask your mate to confirm what contaminants are found in this crap and what the toxicity is of those contaminants!

Anyway, there appears to be more against fluoridation than there is for - so!

Copy this Ed!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1210/S00084/royal-societys-chief-called-to-resign-over-fluoridation.htm

If the government was really concerned about tooth decay, wouldn't the first logical and what should be inexpensive (unless the schools somehow profit from these dispensing machines being in the schools) step be to eliminate the soda and candy machines from the schools?

Another great link especially for Ed!

http://www.thehealthvine.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=81&Itemid=121

Fluoride is safe here in America. It is really amazing the amount of rhetoric concerning this non-issue. It is if a handful of people just can't stand it when something actually works in this country that they do not like. Here in Dunedin, we have a state of the art facility. They know how to safely administer the proper amounts and kinds of chemicals to keep our water safe. All the studies have been done but continue to be done. And NO! I am not going to posts one sided links on the patch. I have stated what I know. Clearly you do not like that and you tactic is to belittle. Your choice! I choose to trust my local, highly trained expert Water Dept Staff that I know. BTW your argument is making many of us laugh because the same argument could be made about Aspirin or any drug/Vaccine. If you take too much Aspirin it will kill you. I don't need you or a chemist to tell me that. I respect your point of view but strongly disagree with it and feel you are being a bit paranoid. No system is perfect, no govt is perfect but we do have to trust them at some point. I trust our Water Dept, I trust our local Dentist's, I trust my doctor. All of them say the same thing and none of them are making a dime from it including me! Fluoride is SAFE!

And another -- especially for Ed:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/dentists-unknowingly-endorse-arsenic-and-lead-into-our-drinking-water-72279192.html

http://www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicity,%20Environmental%20Impact%20and%20Legal%20Implications%20of%20Water%20Fluoridation_February%202012_EnviroManagement%20Services.pdf

Read the conclusion from Page 283

just for Colin: Fluoride is safe here in America. It is really amazing the amount of rhetoric concerning this non-issue. It is if a handful of people just can't stand it when something actually works in this country that they do not like. Here in Dunedin, we have a state of the art facility. They know how to safely administer the proper amounts and kinds of chemicals to keep our water safe. All the studies have been done but continue to be done. And NO! I am not going to posts one sided links on the patch. I have stated what I know. Clearly you do not like that and you tactic is to belittle. Your choice! I choose to trust my local, highly trained expert Water Dept Staff that I know. BTW your argument is making many of us laugh because the same argument could be made about Aspirin or any drug/Vaccine. If you take too much Aspirin it will kill you. I don't need you or a chemist to tell me that. I respect your point of view but strongly disagree with it and feel you are being a bit paranoid. No system is perfect, no govt is perfect but we do have to trust them at some point. I trust our Water Dept, I trust our local Dentist's, I trust my doctor. All of them say the same thing and none of them are making a dime from it including me! Fluoride is SAFE!

Most of the links are to your American experts - your pro-fluoridation science, by the way, is no better than the Australian, the British, the Irish, the Canadians et al -- your "technology" is no different either. My conclusion is that your government is just as corrupt as ours.

Your belief is exactly that yours - there are many of us that do not share your opinion but you would force it on us?

Mate I would suggest that you submit yourself for an assessment!

This comes from the link that I placed earlier:

It is obvious that the State cannot track each individual‘s response to mandatory medication through fluoridation of drinking water supplies and that this practice is resulting in over-exposure of the public to this anthropogenic contaminant, thereby exposing the population to increased health risks. The systemic exposure of the population to fluoride in drinking water, even in relatively low concentrations is now known to cause negative health effects and there is evidence to suggest that it may also be directly associated with a wide range of further much more serious medical conditions, some fatal. It is now sufficiently clear that the State can no longer continue to justify mandatory fluoridation of drinking water.

http://www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicity,%20Environmental%20Impact%20and%20Legal%20Implications%20of%20Water%20Fluoridation_February%202012_EnviroManagement%20Services.pdf

Sir I would suggest you enjoy your Country and we'll enjoy ours! Good Day Mate!
BTW buy a filter!

It is obvious that the State must accept its responsibility to protect the individual consumer and the environment (including soil quality, groundwater and surface water and their ecosystems) from fluoride contamination.
This cannot be achieved by continuing with a policy of water fluoridation. To continue with this policy in the absence of a full toxicological and environmental impact assessment of the fluoridation products would present liability for negligence by the State, especially where there are known risks associated with sensitive sub-population groups within society.
In undertaking its duty, the State must consider the potentially significant costs to ensure that adequate epidemiology, toxicology, clinical medicine and environmental exposure assessments are undertaken to protect the consumer as well as environmental impact assessment to protect the environment and ecosystems including fisheries.

The environmental risks of water fluoridation have also been examined in this report. It has been demonstrated that the policy of water fluoridation remains one of the most unsustainable and environmentally damaging public health policies ever implemented. The application of this policy in Ireland is resulting in numerous significant violations of various EU Directives for the protection of groundwater, surface waters, the environment and human health. These have been discussed in detail within this report. The policy of water fluoridation in Ireland results in the indirect release of the pollutant fluoride into soils, groundwater and surface waters in significant concentrations. Given that fluoride is classified as a persistent inorganic pollutant, an element that bio-accumulates within the environment and food chain, this degree of sustained pollution of surface water, groundwater and soils is entirely unacceptable.

In the age of sustainability with ever-growing pressures on the environment such an inept and inefficient policy is completely unnecessary, unsustainable and unacceptable. It would be considered that to continue to fluoridate drinking water based on the established scientific facts, as presented within this report and elsewhere, would be against the fundamental principles of toxicology, pharmacology, environmental sustainability and democratic ethics.

It is simply unconscionable that the State would continue to fluoridate public water supplies when the overwhelming weight of scientific and medical evidence clearly demonstrates that the practice has little or no positive benefit to public health but rather exposes the public to unnecessary risk and places an unacceptable environmental burden of pollution on the environment.
Given the controversial and alarming scientific findings presented in this and other reports and the continued exposure of the population to unnecessary risks, as identified by international scientific committees and scientific experts, it is appropriate that this policy be reviewed immediately.
Clearly the most obvious and economically prudent approach would be to cease fluoridation of drinking water in accordance with the recommendations of the EU‘s Scientific Committee on Health and Environmental Risks (SCHER) as provided to the European Commission‘s Director General for Health & Consumers in 2010.

It is time for the practice of mandatory fluoridation of public water supplies to end. There is little doubt that failure to do so, based on the evidence presented in this report, will result in legal action against the State for negligent breach of duty in continuing to allow an untested product that is known to be harmful to humans to be added to public drinking water supplies.
Good governance should respect the rights of citizens and parents to safeguard their personal health and protect their children‘s wellbeing. Good governance should enhance human rights as provided in the Charter for Fundamental Rights of the European Union, the EU Treaty of Europe and United Nations Treaties mandating that all signatory states, which include the Government of Ireland, comply with the ‗Precautionary Principle‘.
Failure to do so, in light of the findings in this report, would represent a gross failure of responsibility and political leadership.
1217 State of the Nation Address by Taoiseach Enda Kenny 4TH December 2011

Once again: Fluoride is safe here in America. It is really amazing the amount of rhetoric concerning this non-issue. It is if a handful of people just can't stand it when something actually works in this country that they do not like. Here in Dunedin, we have a state of the art facility. They know how to safely administer the proper amounts and kinds of chemicals to keep our water safe. All the studies have been done but continue to be done. And NO! I am not going to posts one sided links on the patch. I have stated what I know. Clearly you do not like that and you tactic is to belittle. Your choice! I choose to trust my local, highly trained expert Water Dept Staff that I know. BTW your argument is making many of us laugh because the same argument could be made about Aspirin or any drug/Vaccine. If you take too much Aspirin it will kill you. I don't need you or a chemist to tell me that. I respect your point of view but strongly disagree with it and feel you are being a bit paranoid. No system is perfect, no govt is perfect but we do have to trust them at some point. I trust our Water Dept, I trust our local Dentist's, I trust my doctor. All of them say the same thing and none of them are making a dime from it including me! Fluoride is SAFE!

All this time I thought this Colin guy was some kind of expert?!? Turns out he just a blowhard from another country? lol ooowwwiii Fluoride is safe! Colin love your bloomin' onion but hate your whining opinon.

To all the anti-fluoridation people on this site - keep up the good work. I have seen many American and Canadian signatures on our petitions and many letters and comments that are supporting us in Australia - I pray everyday that this evil practice will end soon in our countries, just as it has in Europe.

May God Bless our countries.

Sorry Ed (not really) - I sent one of your last comments to a few hundred of my friends all over the world (all anti water fluoridation of course) -- just note what I am saying, I am not necessarily anti-fluoride, I am anti water fluoridation because it is forced on me against my will and contrary to many Charters for Human Rights, the Rights of Children, the Rights of those who don't have a voice.

But anyway - one comment came back that I will post:

I would ask, do you pay your dentist for fluoride treatments? Do you buy fluoridated toothpaste?

The Australian Dental Assn makes millions out of endorsing fluoride toothpaste and fluoride mouthwash. Yanky Dentists and the Yanky Dental Assn almost certainly makes a shit load of money out of selling fluoride treatments and endorsing fluoride products – ask your Dentist about that !

No hurry Ed, just take your time.

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225,000 Deaths Every Year

This article was published in the
Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
July 26, 2000

This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.

The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health.

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
80,000 -- infections in hospitals
106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs
These total to 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!

http://www.relfe.com/A06/doctor_medical.html

Death by Medicine

By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard.

Until now, Life Extension could cite only isolated statistics to make its case about the dangers of conventional medicine. No one had ever analyzed and combined ALL of the published literature dealing with injuries and deaths caused by government-protected medicine. That has now changed.

A group of researchers meticulously reviewed the statistical evidence and their findings are absolutely shocking.4 These researchers have authored a paper titled “Death by Medicine” that presents compelling evidence that today’s system frequently causes more harm than good.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health,” said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

Poorly trained and greedy dentists blamed for the deaths of THIRTY ONE children across the U.S. by talking their parents into dangerous and expensive sedations

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172861/Poorly-trained-greedy-dentists-blamed-deaths-THIRTY-ONE-children-U-S-talking-parents-dangerous-expensive-sedations.html#ixzz29TV47YSs
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172861/Poorly-trained-greedy-dentists-blamed-deaths-THIRTY-ONE-children-U-S-talking-parents-dangerous-expensive-sedations.html

Badly trained dentists are killing U.S. kids: report
MICHAEL WALSH
Friday, July 13, 2012
Poorly trained dentists have been killing American children by administering unnecessary, yet lucrative, sedation. In the last 15 years, 31 children have died during or following dental treatment, according to a recent report by a joint investigation by FRONTLINE and the Center for Public Integrity.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-13/news/32667164_1_diamond-brownridge-dental-treatment-dentists

As detailed in a report on "Nightline" Thursday, an ABC News investigation found that American children are being put at risk by inadequately trained dentists who often seek to enhance profits by sedating their young patients for even routine tooth cleaning and cavity treatments.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/parents-watch-dentist/story?id=16757098#.UH14s2_MjKc

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/death-greed-dentist-16768055

Huuum -- so you trust your doctors and dentists?

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990817225011

http://naturalsociety.com/top-scientist-fluoride-already-shown-to-cause-10000-cancer-deaths/

"In point of fact, fluoride causes more human cancer death, and causes it faster, than any other chemical." Dr. Dean Burk, Chief Chemist Emeritus, U.S. National Cancer Institute

(Note by Andrew Saul: Fluoridation of water owes its continued existence more to politics than to science. If safety and effectiveness are truly considered, fluoride would be questionable even as a prescription drug. But to freely add it to public water supplies, often without any public vote whatsoever, is far beyond questionable. Mr. Meiers' discussion of the dangers of fluoride is important reading.)
http://www.doctoryourself.com/fluoride_cancer.html

Support for Fluoridation

There are few public health measures that have had the scientific endorsement and broad base of research, which supports its use, as does fluoridation. Government officials, the U.S. Public Health Service, the American Dental Association, the American Medical Association, the World Health organization, the American Water Works Association, and virtually every scientific and professional organization in the health field support community fluoridation. In the almost fifty years of fluoridation, there has never been any clinically substantiated evidence of harm to anyone from drinking optimally fluoridated water.

Why -- because if they take the time to look they will identify the harm - they don't because they will get their arses sued for malpractice and other very expensive torts.

And you trust your water engineers? Buggered if I would with the track record of killing people and then lying about it.

And you believe the "old boy's clubs" as listed above?

Far out - you are a worry Ed. :-)

Mayor Dave Egger's reversal on his initial anti fluoridation stand puzzles me. It seems the reasons he gives for the switch in his position is out of gratitude, and loyalty to some individuals who had taken time to apprise him of their pro fluoride use point of view. He indicates that in his opion municipal water fluoridation is the most efficient way to deliver flouride to the most people. I'm puzzled that mayor Eggers doesn't give reasons relating to the benefits, or safety of fluoride in drinking water. I find that with the available information on the web as it relates to any subject that mayor Egger hasn't taken the time to do some independent research on the topic. In my view there is nothing wrong with getting advice from knowledgeable people on the subject, although I would hope the mayor would take the time to research this very important subject. The mayor's decision could have either a positive, or very negative impact on his constituents. So I would really like to see some justification from the mayor as to his position on the fluoride issue by addressing such things as safety of fluoride use in drinking water, and how he rationalized his decision beyond his notion that he likes concepts and ideas that unite people, or initiatives as opposed to people having diverse and different opinions. I would say to the mayor differng opinions and ideas aren't necessarily a bad thing if they are constructive and positive.

Henry

Good morning Ed. Your comment is interesting. Back in 2005/6 the whole of the Queensland parliament voted against the compulsory fluoridation Bill that was presented by a Liberal MP (who is also a dentist). Just 6 Liberals voted for the Bill.

Then in 2007/8 the new Premier, Anna Bligh, put forward her compulsory fluoridation Bill and nearly 100% of the parliament voted for the Bill. I have questioned many of those "turncoats" -- most will not say what made them change their minds, the few that have just say "we were shown new information" but would not tell me anything about it.

However -- 26 Members from the Labour Party were coming up to their 7 year service pensions and I suspect that Bligh told all of the Labour Party Ministers that if they didn't vote for the Bill she would make sure that they would miss out on $60 thousand dollars for life!

Ed - serve him with a copy of the document that I posted: http://www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicity,%20Environmental%20Impact%20and%20Legal%20Implications%20of%20Water%20Fluoridation_February%202012_EnviroManagement%20Services.pdf

I would be interested in what he has to say.

Thanks Ed, have a great day.

Funny but most people want it! What needs to happen and will happen from now on is for droves of normal people who are not paranoid and trust their dentist will be showing up early to all city/county meetings and show our leaders these few nut jobs are just that! NUT JOBS! And don't speak for nor represent the people! See ya at the next meeting! If I were you be prepared to stand in the back!

By the way, if you are a bible believing God fearing Christian you already know Fluoride is naturally occurring! Yes that's right God put it here for us to use and in America we use what God gives us without question!

What I have to say is we live in Dunedin Florida where Fluoride is administered safely. Apparently you don't. I was on the phone with one of our longest actively local Dentists tonight and he reminded me the Truthers, Birthers and others will always be out there. It is always entertaining to listen to them ramble on but at the end of the day when it matters you know the truth does not pass across their lips. I am very proud of Mayor Eggers for his choice as I am of Mrs Scales, Mr Carson and Mr Ron Barnette. As you can see the end of the day has been reached, but please ramble on.

Well said David - Ed Harris would rather believe his misguided dentist who is under the control of their ADA rather than following and reading the testimonies of thousands of American dentists who are now breaking away from the "old boys" club that is only really interested in dentist's profits and their membership fees!

Tell me something Ed - how does your water works administer an S6 poison into the water, as a drug, without seeing the patient and with having no control over the dose that the patient will receive?

Mr Bishop, once again Fluoride is safe here in Dunedin. I'm sorry this does not support, help or agree with your position or crusade however here it is safe and the majority wants it and is keeping it. Good luck with your future issues in the land down under.

BTW "Stevenson" your comment: "Plumbers do well in fluoridated communities. Water purification systems are big business and many people pay good money in an attempt to move fluoride and other poisons from their drinking water."
For the record Harris Plumbing has been here in Dunedin since 1947 I only know of two customers to have a Fluoride filter installed, one did not live in Dunedin so NO making money off the scared masses in Dunedin does not seem to be panning out like you clearly thought. Funny how little things like real facts from real people who live here can make such a difference. As for Colin he will post as long as anyone will read. No I did not click on his links, not one. Many, I have seen over the years on Truther articles sent to me. Colin believes the threat is real and I believe that Colin believes the threat is real, just like I believe that when I was a child the Tooth Fairy was real. I trust my City, I trust my Water Dept. We've only been here since 1947 so I guess we are a bit new at this.

That is why we have water softners and water purifiers. Not many people I know just ask a plumber to put in Fluoride filter. I also can't stand when individual people try to speak for the majority.

I agree Melissa so please stop! Softeners and water purifiers do nothing to remove Fluoride from water! Absolutely Nothing. You must have a specific Fluoride filter to remove Fluoride from water. The basic Fluoride filter for one faucet only runs about $200 and the cartridge replaced for around $75-100. Whole house units are around but are rarer that big foot sightings in Cuba. As for the Hardness in Dunedin water, it is very very low, some just like their water soft but statistically speaking the ppm stats consistently show our area very very low for hardness. So once again I am not speaking for any majority however I am speaking as to the facts that apply to our area, Dunedin. People voted through their representatives, our city council and the vote was to keep the Fluoride, The safe, dependable, cheap Fluoride in our water. I'm not speaking for the majority, the majority has already spoken.

Thanks Melissa -- in Australia water filters are not the sole domain of plumbers. We actually have water filter specialists who currently are making a fortune selling and installing Chineses manufactured reverse osmosis filters.

The problem with Ed is, by his own admission, that he has his head in a dark place and he flatly refuses to take a look at his beliefs. He is convinced that pouring 99.5% of all fluoridated water down the drain will fix tooth decay -- even plumbers logic can't deny that this is a waste of money. Now fluoridated tooth paste, sealants and the like when topically applied (endorsed by dentists Ed) might work and it give you (the individual) the choice.

Why did doctors stop their endorsement of cigarette smoking? Why did the authorities remove asbestos from brake linings, clutches, insulation etc? Why did they remove lead from petrol? Why did they remove mercury thermometers? Why indeed -- could be that "someone" pulled their head out of the dark place and saw that people were getting sick and said "Oh shit, people are getting sick"?

Ed, you are just about on your own on this site, your refusal to even consider any of the material that I have posted is simply stupidity on your part and it puts you in the same league as the ADA and others that are going to try and protect their backsides. They know that there will be a mass exodus from the Association by dentists when they realise that they are going to be sued for malpractice. You just sit on your backside and watch it happen Ed -- and I will come back and tell you "I told you so Ed". Please don't leave town!

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/01/untested-type-of-fluoride-used-in-vast.html

Sodium fluoride, first added to public drinking water in 1945, is now used in less than 10% of fluoridation systems nationwide, according to the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) 1992 Fluoridation Census. Instead, SiF's are now used to treat drinking water delivered to 140 million people. While sodium fluoride was tested on animals and approved for human consumption, the same cannot be said for SiFs.

Also requiring further examination is German research that shows SiFs inhibit cholinesterase, an enzyme that plays an important role in regulating neurotransmitters.
"If SiFs are cholinesterase inhibitors, this means that SiFs have effects like the chemical agents linked to Gulf War Syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome and other puzzling conditions that plague millions of Americans," said Masters. "We need a better understanding of how SiFs behave chemically and physiologically."
2000

The EPA is aware of papers positing links between fluoridation agents and lead in the bloodstream or challenging the accepted chemistry. To truly investigate such hypotheses, better chemical knowledge of the speciation is required.
And see this testimony to Congress by PhD chemist William Hirzy, who - at the time of the hearing - was Senior Vice-President of the union representing EPA toxicologists, biologists, chemists, engineer and lawyers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hRLz4a7lDVM

Remember that Western's dental school professors, the dentists and medical officers of health recommend fluoridation with a toxic waste having no toxicology studies or safety studies in tap water.

It’s time for citizens to do their own research and insist the poisoning stop. London's water is chemically contaminated and unsafe to drink according to the anti-doping technology from the 2010 Olympics.

Call the mayor and your councillor, make your voice heard!

A letter posted by a London resident -- your part of the world Ed, not London UK?

An Untested Type of Fluoride Is Used in the Overwhelming Majority of U.S. Water Supplies - Dartmouth University wrote in 2001:
In a recent article in the journal NeuroToxicology, a research team led by Roger D. Masters, Dartmouth College Research Professor and Nelson A. Rockefeller Professor of Government Emeritus, reports evidence that public drinking water treated with sodium silicofluoride or fluosilicic acid, known as silicofluorides (SiFs), is linked to higher uptake of lead in children.
Masters and his collaborator Myron J. Coplan, a consulting chemical engineer, formerly Vice President of Albany International Corporation, led the team that has now studied the blood lead levels in over 400,000 children in three different samples. In each case, they found a significant link between SiF-treated water and elevated blood lead levels.
"We should stop using silicofluorides in our public water supply until we know what they do," said Masters. Officials at the Environmental Protection Agency have told Masters and Coplan that the EPA has no information on health effects of chronic ingestion of SiF-treated water.

Bring it on Ed -- while you have your head in the dark place you have no credibility not with me our your fellow townspeople. I have been studying this subject for many years, I look at both side -- the pro-fluoridation groups have never put up any scientific evidence that it causes no harm -- they can't because this crap is not tested and there have never been any testing. They can't answer a simple question like how can consuming just .5% of all fluoridated water cure tooth decay. Tooth decay is not caused by a shortage of a chemical fluoride. Now American water fluoridation is no safer or better than what we use in Australia and your plumbers stick their heads down as many dunnies as ours -- that doesn't make you any smarter Ed!

Ed, I think you need to go back to school. Colin, keep up the good work! Following is just one of many sites that state otherwise, regarding removing fluoride from drinking water.

Still, many with fluorosis concerns want fluoride removed from their water. Removing fluoride from public drinking water can be performed several ways. Reverse osmosis is the most common method. It can remove particles and compounds smaller than water molecules, including fluoride. The process takes out as much as 90 percent of fluoride in drinking water. The reverse osmosis process starts with water being forced through a filter or membrane in a reversal of the natural process of osmosis. In nature, the less concentrated solution (water free of minerals, for example) will move to dilute solutions with higher concentrations. Tiny holes in the membrane let water move past. However, compounds such as fluoride that are bigger than water molecules become trapped, according to the Water Quality Association. Water from the higher concentration solution moves through the filter to a solution of lower concentration, resulting in water free of particles, minerals and other contaminants.

@ Stevenson - ref the book being removed from the library -- Ed has probably stolen it! :-)

@ Stevenson - I thought that this is what these comments were supposed to be doing - convincing Mayor Eggers not to have his head in the dunny like Ed. I hope that he does read these comments -- perhaps you should copy them to the Mayors office?

Colin, first of all I clearly stated I did not click on your sites because I've seen them before. Nothing really new. I'm so sorry I do not agree with you and that causes you to get upset and make light of me, my profession and my elected leaders. So much of what you continue to retort is simply not factual and taken deeply out of context. As for Mrs Melissa even by your own statement you don't get it. An R/0 is not a Fluoride removal system unless your a crook salesman trying to make a fast buck. R/O's would have to serviced almost every 3-6 months to gain the levels of Fluoride removal you mentioned which is why no one worth their salt would recommend it. That being said a Fluoride filter for one, just one faucet only lasts a year. You and Colin have repeatedly babbled on about any and all Fluoride being bad yet your recommending an R/O lmao! Thank you for proving my point. Fluoride is safe in Dunedin! Colin you are not because you can't stand being wrong about anything and you can't stand that we do it right. That just does not register in your mind. But here in America that's okay. Hmmmmm maybe it's the Fluoride warping our mind's! Or maybe the AMA is secretly paying dentists? Or Maybe Colin owns a Fluoride Filter Company and sales are down so he is drumming up business? Colin I hate to break it to you but there are about 6 people actually reading this. Good Luck with your Fluoride I hope it all works out for you. In the meantime, Fluoride is safe in Dunedin, Florida!

Ed - get a life outside of your dunny. I am on a water tank, I eat organic and I avoid silicofluoride like the plague - I am 65 next week, I have all of my own teeth and only a couple of fillings thanks to an army dentist.

You haven't followed any of the links because you are scared to, they threaten your belief. They are very qualified American and Canadian professionals -- you are just a plumber -- you have no idea who I am! -- Be a good plumber and keep your crap flowing my friend!

Colin, about 95% of the information contained in your links was given to the entire Council. You too know nothing about me either but I'm not making light of opinion. I can't help it most of your links are being used on Birther and truther sites. I've seen them. Funny but if you look at my comments and actually read them you will notice I never said Fluoride is not toxic. Do you know why? Because that would not be true. Fluoride applied improperly will kill you! Simply don't apply it improperly! We don't and it works. The chems we use to clean our water are even more toxic if misapplied but we don't misapply them and they work. I too have all my teeth, my wife, my four kids and our pets! We all have used Fluoride in our water our entire lives! I live the Organic life style not just food but I use the public drinking system which has Fluoride and is safe. If you notice I never said Fluoride can't harm but it's as if your blaming death on guns and bullets when it's the person who pulls the trigger who's at fault. Should we keep an eye on it to make sure no one screws up or cuts corners? YES! I fear your the one that needs time away to relax so you make it to 66. Be a good Aussie and have another Foster's!

Tooth decay and gum disease are among the world’s leading health issues, and they can lead to serious conditions such as heart disease. There are no strong trends showing a dramatic improvement in dental health in areas with water fluoridation. “There’s conflicting evidence,” says Dr. Ron Ehrlich from the Sydney Holistic Dental Centre. “And the influence of corporations on regulatory and academic bodies is frightening.”

While the majority of dentists are advocates of fluoride, an increasing number of dental professionals – particularly those interested in overall wellbeing – are speaking out against it.

http://www.gmagazine.com.au/features/3417/fluoride-furore

All public drinking water in Australia, except that which has naturally occurring fluoride, is fluoridated. Worldwide, an estimated 355 million people drink artificially fluoridated water, and 50 million drink water that’s naturally fluoridated. While it is widely accepted that fluoride helps to prevent tooth decay, overexposure when young teeth are developing can cause dental fluorosis, where the tooth enamel becomes permanently stained or pitted. “At high levels, fluoride has been shown to interfere with enzymatic pathways, gastric acid production, poor absorption of nutrients and thyroid function,” says Dr. Bill Kellner-Read, dentist at Brisbane’s TFI Dentistry.

You said it Colin, "at high levels" that is true for every chem we put in our body. So don't use high levels! We don't! That's why Fluoride in our water is safe and useful.

Ok Ed -- what is the safe level of ingested silicofluoride that your health department considers OK?

Also ask them if they have done any environmental impact studies which evaluate the total exposure from all sources -- in other words how much silicofluoride are you consuming from all sources, food, tea, beer, cigarettes, soda etc, etc, etc.

You know that back in 1999 the WHO recommended that the environmental assessment be done BEFORE adding further fluoride to any water? And don't forget that they still work under the false impression that they are talking about "natural" calcium fluoride and not a chemical waste product!

O’Fallon, Missouri—Missouri’s 7th largest town (pop. 80,000) recently ended fluoridation after a citizen activist informed city employees about the dangers of water fluoridation. The City Administrator did his own research and signed off on the discontinuation of the practice. In the town’s 2012 Budget, the city administrators speak highly of the change, saying “one such improvement is the elimination of the addition of fluoride to the potable water supplied by the Water Treatment Plant (WTP), this change in treatment has saved the City $18,000 annually and reduced the hazard for the operators in that they do not have to handle the dangerous chemical on a regular basis.”

• Rosetown, Saskatchewan—The Canadian community of 2,300 has ended their fluoridation program after the fluoride feed-pump broke, likely due to corrosion. The community doesn't plan on continuing fluoridation in the future.

• Lake view, Iowa—The town of 1,300 people will no longer have the additive in their drinking water after the city council voted to discontinue fluoridation due to the practice’s high cost and lack of positive economic benefit. You can hear the City Administrator interviewed about the decision here.

• Cassadaga, NY—Citizen opposition to a plan by Village Board members to fluoridate the drinking water was raised at weekly village board meetings after the village built a fluoridation feed shed. The opposition led to board members polling the town’s citizens on whether to fluoridate or reject the practice. 78% of water customers opposed fluoridation and 18% supported it. The Board members then voted 4-1 to officially reject the practice for the town’s approximately 600 residents. The neighboring community of Lily Dale, NY is on the same drinking water system, so the decision will also impact its 275 citizens and the town’s approximately 22,000 registered annual visitors.

Portland Update

In case the successful referendum campaign to overturn their fluoridation vote wasn’t enough embarrassment for the City Council to deal with, local media outlets are reporting that the councilors who met with pro-fluoride lobbyists didn’t disclose that these meetings occurred, which is necessary by law. Are Portland officials trying to hide this information, or did they just conveniently forget?

NYC Councilmember Vallone Introduces Infant Warning
New York City Councilmember Peter Vallone, Jr. has introduced a resolution calling for infant fluoride warnings on the city’s water bills. This comes on the heels of the city of Milwaukee and the State of New Hampshire both passing laws requiring infant fluoride warnings for water customers.
While Vallone is still pursuing a full prohibition on fluoride in NYC drinking water, he believes that an infant warning will gain more support initially and will help protect infants until fluoridation comes to an end. If you would like to get involved in NYC, please contact FAN’s NY Point Person.

The fight for fluoride-free water is heating up in the State of Florida. Two more communities will be putting the continuation of existing fluoridation programs to a vote, and County Commissioner candidates in Pinellas County are taking sides on the issue.
The Board of Directors of the Greater Pine Island Water Association decided to hold a vote on fluoridation after citizens continued to raise concerns about the additive. The fluoride-free effort was led by members of Citizens for Safe Water, who spoke at regular board meetings and organized a letter to the editor campaign in local paper. Ballots will be mailed to all of the Water Association’s members.

The Ormond Beach City Commission has voted to approve a fluoridation referendum to voters can decide for the first time since 1957 whether the water should continue to be fluoridated. Concerns over the safety of fluoridation were brought to the council’s attention after a citizen wrote to the city’s fluoridation-chemical provider seeking information showing compliance with state drinking water laws. When the chemical manufacturer did not reply back, the citizen alerted the City Commission, which responded with the referendum approval.

My contribution for today.

Just a thought or two:

Is it ethical to mass medicate a population?
Is it ethical to tell people lies (ie - fluoride is natural it comes from rocks)
Is it ethical and legal to medicate a person without an individual examination?
Is it ethical or legal to medicate a person whether they need the medication or not?
Is it ethical for the "authority" to refuse to read and action new findings of researchers?
Should the "authorities" be allowed to ignore their own "precautionary principle"?

According to the lawyers that are now lining up to start class actions your "authorities" are in a dangerous place especial the Australian because the government have passed a law saying that no one can be held responsible for any harm that this stuff causes -- WRONG!

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

Article 7 – Persons without the capacity to consent

In accordance with domestic law, special protection is to be given to persons who do not have the capacity to consent:

(a) authorization for research and medical practice should be obtained in accordance with the best interest of the person concerned and in accordance with domestic law. However, the person concerned should be involved to the greatest extent possible in the decision-making process of consent, as well as that of withdrawing consent;

Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights

19 October 2005

Natural calcium fluoride can be found in many waterways in the world. Calcium fluoride is usually accompanied by several other minerals, magnesium in particular. The minerals are derived by water running over rocks and leaching them out of the rock. The usual level is about .2 ppm in most cases but occasionally it can go far higher and if fluoride becomes the predominant mineral then one can have a "harmful" mineral.

Silicofluoride is manufactured - it is a by-product of aluminium and fertiliser manufacturing. The "mineral" is extracted from crushed phosphate rock using very powerful acids and heat. There is no "safe" level of human consumption, in fact the manufacturers state "not to be ingested". The government health departments have designated .7 ppm to be the optimum level to afford protection and cure of tooth decay, however they have not designated any "safe" level of consumption.

Dilution is the solution to disposing of a very harmful poison?

Mr Harris You are right Fluoride is safe here in Dunedin, the facts presented here are so twisted they look like a pretzel. Dunedin puts Fluoride in our water at a rate lower than recommended and monitor it 24/7 There is no danger, just benefit. Remember to argue with a fool is to become one yourself. Thank you for your kind and always informative views and information.

Hi Ms. Frankburg,
Would you be able to tell us the recommended rate and the rate that Dunedin uses and why they don't use the recommended rate?
Thanks

Mrs Melissa, since opening a phone book must be so hard for you, please allow me to provide you with the number to the Dunedin Water Dept 727-298-3100 also if needed I'm sure the Patch may know a therapist that may be of help for you and Colin, who could assist you with your anger issues and delusions.

Ms. Frankburg,
You stated you had certain facts, I was simply asking you for them. You stated you knew the recommended rates and you stated that Dunedin did not use the recommended rates. It seems that you are the one with anger issues due to the nastiness in your comments to me, when I was simply asking you a question due to your comments. I guess you are upset because you cannot answer my question, while pretending to know the answers.

Ms. Frankburg, I think that's called a personal attack. Melissa only asked a question. Maybe you are the one with anger issues.

Hi Stevenson,

I appreciate your picture of the situation.

Thank you.

Mr. Bishop,

I so appreciate your details, that so many will not pay attention to.

Melissa

Are you three picking on that nice lady? You guys/gals never give up lol well that I can say I like! Neither do I!
Fluoride is safe, It's here in Dunedin, It has been voted on and now is a 4 to 1 vote. If the Mayor and Dave Carson were to lose their reelection the count will still be 4-1 and the lone commissioner that is against it is coming up for reelection and her opponent will likely be for Fluoride so either way it will be 4-1 or 5-0 So in the end either way you cut it Dunedin will continue to have Fluoride for the next 10 years at least. So buckle up! I'm not going anywhere either!
Did I mention Fluoride is safe?

Ed,
It seems like you just have a repeat button "Fluoride is safe, It's here in Dunedin", do you have anything else to say except this statement? "Fluroride is safe, It's here in Dunedin"

I have taken the liberty of cross posting.
Nys Cof · New York
It's interesting that dentists are concerned about the elderly when it was the American Dental Association which lobbied against including dental in Medicare. Political activism is nothing new with dentists. Organized dentistry is the richest and most powerful health lobby group in the country. The ADA and its constituent and sister groups routinely tell their members how to vote, who to write letters to and what to say. Every state in this country has organized dentistry members knocking on doors, lobbying legislators in person, created laws that get passed at the state level that benefit dentists - sometimes even though it hurts the taxpayers. It's a shame that dentists are forcing their beliefs on people who aren't interested in consuming fluoride. Everyone has to go to the dentist but not everyone gets to hear the science which doesn't support fluoridation and no one needs more fluoride.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19896698/2012/10/23/flouride-becomes-campaign-issue

You prove a point Ed - this is politics at its very worst! Your democracy is now deemed to be a dictatorship - where in your American Constitution does it say that politicians can dictate to the people? Where does it say that the government can dictate your health? Where are the rights of the American people?

And you believe that you have any "rights" left Ed?

Melissa, yes I have something else to say............Fluoride is safe and it's here in Dunedin!

Colin, I know exactly what you mean and think about it almost every day. That balancing act is very hard between what is a good idea and what is a forceful demand. All we can do here is vote. We did. Does that mean we can lay back and forget about it? No! We have to stay on top of it. As for Fluoride, we should never stop looking at all the solutions and act if we can. Your constant bringing of attention to this topic is a good thing, we need to keep looking at it and if the risks begin to outweigh the benefit do something about it. Right now here in Dunedin our benefit is higher and seems to be working. That may not be the case in other places I totally agree. Here it has been voted on but make no mistake if the risks here begin to outweigh the benefit I will be one of the first yelling and one of the loudest!

Ed,
Regarding your comment "Right now here in Dunedin our benefit is higher and seems to be working." How do you KNOW that the benefit is higher and how do you KNOW that it "seems" to be working? Just curious.
Thanks
Melissa

Hi Ed, I must admit that your last comment is saying something "different" about you.

Ed, I am glad that you are monitoring this issue but you really do have to get your information from many sources if you are going to get a balance.

I can assure you that the statistics from your ADA, your health and your government are lies - and the same lies are told in the UK, Ireland and over here. Our dental queues in Australia are extreme, irrespective of fluoridation and we have the government statistics that confirm what we read in the newspapers.

Have a look at some of my posts and then get your dentist to show you his/her "proof" that fluoridation -- water fluoridation -- is actually reducing tooth decay by at least 40%. Ask is they can tell you the cumulative consumption of fluoride from all sources -- ask if you are actually getting too much fluoride and finally -- ask what this chemical fluoride is doing to the rest of your body - and ask for the proof and not just the regular statements that they make.

Mr. Bishop,
The Austin Fluoridation document was a very good read, thank you for posting.
Melissa

Hi Melissa - please call me Colin.

Hi Colin,
Have not seen your telephone number, but believe I found your email address this morning and just sent one to you. If you didn't get it, please let me know.
Melissa

Sorry, Colin, totally did not read your message slow enough, I thought you meant to give you a call:) Anyway, the email I found for you got bounced back.

Anyone Interested in the Research of Fluoride Please Consider this............. http://anewsreporter.weebly.com/fluoride.html

This is a story written by Dr Kennedy who has been proven time and time again to be wrong! I watched it to see if there was anything new, nothing new just the same ole stuff, misinformation and doomsday scare tactics with the same ole debunked information.