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Is Enough Being Done for Bicyclists' Safety, Motorists' Sanity?

Safety for our motorists and pedestrians in Dunedin is a huge concern. We need to do something, or somebody's going to get hit, again.

The other day as I was driving to work on 580 west. I almost witnessed yet another accident at Skinner and the trail. Once again a bicyclist crossed Skinner and did not use the cross-walk button, so no lights flashed,wheels squealed to a halt instead once noticing the bicyclist crossing, creating a chain reaction.

I witness this 9 out of 10 times when driving in this location. Somebody's going to get hit, again. This is just stupid and it really needs to be brought to the attention of the city. I contacted Dave Eggers about this last year and he claimed that all the necessary signs are posted alerting pedestrians to use the cross-walk button. Well, I went and looked at this alleged sign and it does not exist. There is a sign indicating that" cross-traffic does not stop," common-sense you'd think, but that is all that is posted and obviously not enough information for these people using the trail. Itd frustrating as hell, not to mention, incredibly dangerous.

Thoughts on this matter would be appreciated and maybe we can get something done. Thanks.

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Suzanne Nowak November 14, 2012 at 01:41 PM
There needs to be a STOP sign on Skinner where the trail crosses. All the side streets have stop signs. Why not put one on the East and West side of Skinner also? It is a dangerous crossing. For the cyclists as well as the motorists. If you are driving and stop to let a bicyclist cross then the car behind you doesn't stop. I have had many close encounters at this location. Something should be done to fix this dangerous location.
Jim Ellison November 14, 2012 at 01:57 PM
I live near this intersection and hear tires sliding several times a day. As far as I can tell it has to do with the urgency of the drivers on the road rushing to the light at Broadway. And when the driver does voluntarily stop, the cars behind them start blowing there horn in anger. I've even seen them pull onto the trail trying to get around the traffic (see picture) on more than one occasion through The Body Wrap and at Jackson St. I just Pray there's never a young child left to cross there alone.
Michael J. Kovac November 14, 2012 at 04:31 PM
There has to be an elevated crosswalk at that location.
Ron November 14, 2012 at 04:57 PM
Why would bicyclist stop at a stop sign? Sarcastic question, but since moving here this year, I have rarely seen bicyclists stop, or even slow down, at stop signs. I use the trail all the time, can't see where changing or adding signs will help. About time traffic laws are enforced.
Josh Hollis November 14, 2012 at 05:17 PM
Although an elevated cross walk is a novel idea, it would be way to much $$$$$$. How about just some big signs for the trail users "PLEASE USE THE CROSSWALK BUTTON - IT'S THERE TO SAVE LIVES." The drivers are happy to stop as you can tell by the screeching brakes, but they should have some warning instead of a pedestrian popping there head out from behind a light pole.
barb weston November 14, 2012 at 09:09 PM
how about we all start using the common sense god gave us and be respectful of each other. the motorist need to be aware of bikers and people crossing and slow down in that area and bikers and people need to be respectful of motorist and look both ways as our mothers' taught us. we are all responsible for our actions!
Dunedin Cracker 79 November 15, 2012 at 12:13 AM
Thats the problem,"common sense" , we need the "uncommon sense". Its quite a rarity these days!
Stacy Rush November 17, 2012 at 02:18 AM
I see this all the time. Four way stop at trail. That means persons on bikes, walking and cars must stop.. I have never seen a person on a bike stop yet.. SO could make money there....
-Ed Harris- November 17, 2012 at 02:46 AM
The flashing light does not work, it has made the crossing even more a danger to bikers and drivers! At least before most of the bikers knew they had to stop. Please take down the flashers and put up a couple of huge signs that says "Cars do NOT stop for crosswalk" before someone is killed. The way it was before worked fine, the bikers only had to wait a moment or two as the light at Bayshore and Skinner changes often enough. The whole purpose of using Skinner being upgraded was to divert traffic from Main St yet still have good flow of traffic, it is pointless if we bottle neck Skinner too.
Diane Randolph November 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM
A "Cars Do Not Stop" sign would likely solve the problem most of the time.
Diane Randolph November 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Bicyclists need to use the crosswalk button. Why not?
Dunedin Cracker 79 November 20, 2012 at 11:28 AM
There is a sign that says :"Cross traffic does not stop", According to our mayor,that is all that needs to be in place, at least thats what he said to me last year when I brought this matter to his attention. More people need to contact him regarding this situation.
Melody Urso November 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM
"Share the Road" is the philosophy of bike riders, although not always followed on both sides. I am an avid bicyclist and see a lack of courtesy from both parties, although it is not the majority of times. The intersection at Skinner is, indeed, very dangerous and in my experience there are signs there and the flashing lights do work. However, cars speed reclessly down Skinner, just to get to the traffic light that is 100 feet away. I vote for a Stop sign at the trail and Skinner which would slow people down in general.
Madalyne Warren November 20, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Ed Harris, you hit the nail on the head. The flashing lights need to go...they do nothing but confuse the issue. Bicyclists/pedestrians (I am both) need to stop for the cars coming through and wait until the road is clear. Flashing yellow lights just mean caution, not stop and give a false sense of security to the trail traffic. I know it sounds crazy, but traffic should not stop for waiting trail traffic as it can cause rear end collisions. Just move along at the posted pace and let the trail traffic work around the vehicles is my vote.
-Ed Harris- November 20, 2012 at 04:50 PM
I love the trail with a passion and love how it functions in and thru Dunedin, but there has to be a stopping point and the old stopping was Skinner. It worked fine and people were being very kind to bikers and bikers respected traffic. I don't think this needs a $10,000 study it just needs a little common/good sense.
Tom G January 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM
I am an avid Bicycler and Skinner is not nearly the problem that the cross walks along the Dunedin Causeway are. The flashing lights are so far apart that drivers don't see them. I almost get hit at least once a week. As far as Skinner - I wait to make sure the cars stop before I go. And the stop signs along the trail are ignored by virtually all bikers. Sad really. Also the Bikers in their cycling gear - I wish they would use the trail instead of weaving in and out of cars along the road or causing unnecessary traffic jams because they refuse to use the trails. Especially along the Dunedin causeway where many parts of the road (bridges) are too narrow. I see more Bikers being discourteous than I see drivers although there are both.

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